tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post112358046080973534..comments2024-02-18T19:56:17.563-08:00Comments on Salita Blog: My ideal language policyChristopher Sunditahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06045082835485532949noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-2584546051559687502011-12-12T11:05:58.712-08:002011-12-12T11:05:58.712-08:00The Latin American people believed and feel that w...The Latin American people believed and feel that we Filipinos form past of that vast family, the children of Spain. Thus, although Spain ceased to govern those countries many years ago and although another nation is sovereign in the Philippines, those Latin-American peoples feel themselves as brothers to the people of the Philippines. It is the Spanish language that still binds us to those peoples, and the Spanish language will bind us to those peoples eternally if we have the wisdom and patriotism of preserving it.<br />—Manuel Quezon—<br /><br />¡Filipinas, hable castellano otra vez!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-179994355868334672011-12-08T04:21:24.587-08:002011-12-08T04:21:24.587-08:00"I am Visayan, Visayans are the true descenda..."I am Visayan, Visayans are the true descendants of Lapu Lapu not Illocanos. You Illocanos need to get your history strait and your facts right because Lapu Lapu is NOT your ancestor. <br />Don't put us in a category as you are. If we were living back in the tribal days, you would be our enemy. Fuck "filipinos", I am a Visayan, Illocanos are Illocanos and so fort."<br /><br />Let me tell you something, you stupid hater! I am an Ilocano and I have never ever claimed to be a descendant of Lapu-Lapu nor has any Ilocano claimed to be. What the other poster claimed that there are Ilocanos who do so is false. Huh! Where has he been? And whether you like it or not, history has made us Filipinos. And thus a historical figure, be he an Ilocano, Cebuano, Tagalog, etc., is not exclusively to be praised and claimed a single ethnic group but by all of the Filipinos.<br /><br />"Visayans don't brag like you assholes do. Brag about being Illocanos and give yourselves a bad name and for all you people out there who aren't "filipino" the country has more than one group of people and we are different. Bitch ass Illocanos, Don't include the rest of us who are actually trying to give the pathetic country a good name."<br /><br />And Ilocanos never brag. Ilocanos are proud of themselves but they never brag. They never brag that they did this and that, when they have done many things for this country in many fields. And do not even give the argument that Marcos was an Ilocano and he gave this country ills that we still feel today. He may have done bad things, but also made good things and Visayas and every part of this country are still benefiting from his intensive infrastructure program when he was president. And the guilt of a single man cannot be construed as the guilt of an entire people. duh! You're a shame to the Visayans. Idiot!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-21910500566028927242010-02-17T11:18:31.389-08:002010-02-17T11:18:31.389-08:00howdy friends,
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We're diverse, thus we can never be as "one nation, one culture, and one language."ako si gundamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-25155191713471371652008-08-13T10:20:00.000-07:002008-08-13T10:20:00.000-07:00i say, keep your own language and i'll keep mine.i say, keep your own language and i'll keep mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-8753367000321807292008-08-13T10:10:00.000-07:002008-08-13T10:10:00.000-07:00unity my ass, visayans deserve their part of the i...unity my ass, visayans deserve their part of the island chain just as much as all the other ethnic groups there. break the goddam philippines, a sad excuse for a country. the only ones who kept talking about unity are those tagalogs WHO have no culture and wants to use unity as a way of GETTING culture from the other ethnic groups. Visayans and the all the others deserve to BE proud of their own roots as their own ethnic group and not to be a part of PINOYS or what you wanna call it. We need a change in that country. Visayans and the rest of the ethinic groups have their own distinct culture. Branding everyone as pinoys perverts each culture. I'm tired of these pinoys giving me a bad name just because i am considered pinoy. For a country that doesn't emphasize the importance of culture and looks at the western culture as it's basis you all are dumb asses and if you consider going back to our past roots un-civilized then you are a part of the problem. GET YOUR HISTORIES RIGHT PEOPLE. WE ARE NOT PINOYS. WE ARE OUR OWN DISTINCT ETHNIC GROUPS. <BR/><BR/>To the guy who was talking about Lapu-Lapu not being the ancestor of illocanos, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. I know a lot of people, idiots to say the least, Lapu-Lapu is Visayan History not anyone elses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-64546209302226299472008-02-26T15:00:00.000-08:002008-02-26T15:00:00.000-08:00Sa kahit kaninuman, magalit na kayo ngayon dahil n...Sa kahit kaninuman, magalit na kayo ngayon dahil nagta-Tagalog ako ngayon pero itong wikang ito ang PAMBANSANG LINGUA FRANCA, ginagamit ng LAHAT, ng 98% ng mga Pilipino ayon sa pinakahuling mga survey at di gaya ng sinasabi ninyo na sinasalita lang ng 1/4 ng buong populasyong Pilipino. Nalulungkot ako sa nagawa ng kolonyal na nakaraan natin sa 'ting mga Pilipino! Nagtagumpay silang tunay na PAGWATA-WATAKIN tayong lahat! Hindi naman ipinilit ang Tagalog sa lahat ng Pilipino; nagkataon kasing Manila ang kapital ng Pilipinas. Siguro, kung hindi nalipat ang Spanish settlement galing, una sa Cebu, pagkatapos sa Panay bago, sa wakas ay nalipat na nang permanente sa Maynila- kung nanatiling sa Cebu 'yon at Cebu yung nanatiling kapital at "seat of government" eh malamang, Sebwano ang linggua franca/common/national/unifying language natin ngayon! Kaya ba't galit na galit kayo sa Tagalog language at sa mga Tagalog? Ang nanay ko, Ilongga, pero hindi siya katulad ninyo. Huwag tayong maging REGIONALISTIC! Oo nga, iba-iba tayo pero magkakapamilya tayong lahat, iisang bansa at lahi lang ang pinagmulan natin- Malayo-Polynesian. -Pilipino tayong lahat kahit na Bisaya o Tagalog o Ilokano atbp. tayo. -Pilipino08-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-54367901636216866132008-02-15T04:06:00.000-08:002008-02-15T04:06:00.000-08:00Ever since I finished school I didn’t think I woul...Ever since I finished school I didn’t think I would want to have anymore lessons ever again, however recently I have wanted to <A HREF="http://www.rosettastone.co.uk/personal/" REL="nofollow">learn a language</A>, maybe become fluent in one and basic in a couple of others. I did a bit of research and found there were loads of different packages available I went with one that claims you <A HREF="http://www.rosettastone.co.uk/personal/languages/spanish-spain" REL="nofollow">teach yourself Spanish</A> and I was impressed it was a computer program that helped with pronunciation and speaks back to you so you can hear it too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-12863230039960977712008-01-03T15:48:00.000-08:002008-01-03T15:48:00.000-08:00I believe he said Illocanos and not Filipinos. I h...I believe he said Illocanos and not Filipinos. <BR/><BR/>I have to agree a bit of what he said though. I've seen an a few Illocanos claim they are decendants of Lapu Lapu even going as far as getting a tattoo symbolizing the man but at the same time not knowing a single word in Visayan. trust me, they are friends of mine. <BR/><BR/>I'm Illocano, and this guy makes sense to me. so i apologize for a the actions of a few but not all of us are like that.<BR/><BR/>perhaps this a topic best suited for discussion.<BR/><BR/>peace people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-67619087756689241432008-01-02T17:27:00.000-08:002008-01-02T17:27:00.000-08:00To the anonymous Visayan poster who wrote that oth...To the anonymous Visayan poster who wrote that other Filipinos shouldn't claim Lapulapu as their ancestor. Does your family go back to Mactan island? My family goes back to Argao for centuries and I still have no right to claim Lapulapu as an ancestor, esp. since we know that we're not descended from him nor would I encourage other Cebuanos to claim him as an ancestor just b/c they come from Cebu.Kalanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445262386931098902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-47214241774762211392008-01-01T22:38:00.000-08:002008-01-01T22:38:00.000-08:00Or Tagalog, if they so choose.And why are you mad ...Or Tagalog, if they so choose.<BR/><BR/>And why are you mad at Ilokanos?Christopher Sunditahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06045082835485532949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-44272031523308534782008-01-01T22:35:00.000-08:002008-01-01T22:35:00.000-08:00Visayans have to learn Illocano language? pshh giv...Visayans have to learn Illocano language? pshh give me a break..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-50163597296719369562008-01-01T22:30:00.000-08:002008-01-01T22:30:00.000-08:00what i really hate about that country is the fact ...what i really hate about that country is the fact that there is such a "unity." I hate the fact that i'm categorized as "filipino" when I am a pure blooded, proud Visayan. I hate how the rest of those fucks give me a bad name because i'm in that fuckin group, "filipino." <BR/><BR/>I am Visayan, Visayans are the true descendants of Lapu Lapu not Illocanos. You Illocanos need to get your history strait and your facts right because Lapu Lapu is NOT your ancestor. <BR/>Don't put us in a category as you are. If we were living back in the tribal days, you would be our enemy. Fuck "filipinos", I am a Visayan, Illocanos are Illocanos and so fort.<BR/><BR/>Visayans don't brag like you assholes do. Brag about being Illocanos and give yourselves a bad name and for all you people out there who aren't "filipino" the country has more than one group of people and we are different. Bitch ass Illocanos, Don't include the rest of us who are actually trying to give the pathetic country a good name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1129124531151442692005-10-12T06:42:00.000-07:002005-10-12T06:42:00.000-07:00There may be some historical basis as to why the U...There may be some historical basis as to why the UP clique chose Tagalog as the National Language. Because it's a natural lingua franca 330 years before the 1935 Constitution mandated a national language.<BR/><BR/>The PHILIPPINE ISLANDS 1493-1898 Volume XVIII — 1617- 1620 page 101<BR/><BR/>http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15564/15564.txt<BR/>http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=philamer;cc=philamer;q1=Man\ila%20is%20considered;rgn=full%20text;idno=AFK2830.0001.018;didno=AFK2830.0001.0\18;view=image;seq=00000105<BR/><BR/>It must be noted that there are in this island many races and kinds of<BR/>people, such as the Camarines, Camintanes, Tagalos, Panpangas,<BR/>Sanbales, Ilocos, Cagayanes, and many others. They differ noticeably<BR/>not only in language and in physical characteristics, but also in<BR/>disposition and customs. But the Tagala dialect, that of Manila and<BR/>the surrounding country, is a common language. It is spoken and<BR/>understood everywhere, not only by the above-mentioned natives of the<BR/>island of Luzon, but by the natives of all the islands. From this fact<BR/>those who know something concerning the past of these people infer<BR/>that the other nations of the archipelago have long carried on trade<BR/>and commerce with Manila. Because the island is the center of an<BR/>infinite number of nations and barbarous people, some heathens and<BR/>some Mahometans; and because of its nearness to and trade with the<BR/>rich and powerful kingdoms of Japon and China, as well as for other<BR/>reasons that might be mentioned, Manila is considered of greater<BR/>importance in this governmental district than can here be indicated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1128752826312340932005-10-07T23:27:00.000-07:002005-10-07T23:27:00.000-07:00Spanish would be a bad idea. even though it's phon...Spanish would be a bad idea. even though it's phonetic. It would only foster IMSCF Syndrome among those Spanish-surnamed Filipinos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125975142297805162005-09-05T19:52:00.000-07:002005-09-05T19:52:00.000-07:00Exactly! The sad fact is, you are probably smarte...Exactly! The sad fact is, you are probably smarter than a lot of these native English speakers, yet you probably cannot express yourself nearly well enough as a native speaker. Vocally that is.<BR/><BR/>I know, it's a long shot, but the more people start recognizing the fact that there are dozens of languages in the Philippines the better. I think to get official status, the language has to have a certain amount of speakers first, e.g. 5 million speakers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125973196562566672005-09-05T19:19:00.000-07:002005-09-05T19:19:00.000-07:00Thank you, Anonymous. What you feel about Tagalog ...Thank you, Anonymous. What you feel about Tagalog is exactly how I feel about English.<BR/><BR/>I know I speak better English than most Filipinos but still, I can never speak English with native fluency. I am always at a disadvantage when compared to an American or maybe a Filipino who has lived in America. So sad.<BR/><BR/>I see you are proposing a language policy similar to Canada except while Canada has only two (English and French), we have at least five (Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano, Hiligaynon, Kapampangan etc).<BR/><BR/>Good luck. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911402804223909677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125969639003392802005-09-05T18:20:00.000-07:002005-09-05T18:20:00.000-07:00Hi Enrico,Thanks for this opportunity, but a lot o...Hi Enrico,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this opportunity, but a lot of my thoughts are really quite similar to Chris's posting. Basically a policy that embraces diversity rather than just have one Filipino/Tagalog official national language.<BR/><BR/>I guess, what you really want from me is rationale behind it, and fair enough. So let me see if I can at least explain to you where I stand.<BR/><BR/>While there is nothing wrong with Tagalog as a language, and a lot of Filipinos already know it or are familiar at least with it, I do have an issue about it being pushed down everyone's throat as a National language. To start with, the majority of non-tagalog speakers will never be able to speak it with native fluency, plus our native language is never developed properly. We are already at a disadvantaged compared to Tagalogs right from the start. Be honest to yourself, how many times have you looked at a Bisaya, and thought he was dumb because he speaks Tagalog with a funny accent? There is a great perception that we are from the boondocks because we do not speak Tagalog fluently. Put two filipinos together who are of same intelligence, tagalog and non-tagalog on the media, who can motivate the people better, the one who speaks the National language fluently, or the other with the fluency of a 10 year old kid? To us non-tagalog speakers, Tagalog is just as foreign as Spanish. And to tell you the truth, I would have rather learned Spanish than Tagalog. Only because it is yet another global language with 400 million speakers. Not because I don't think Tagalog has any use, but in a globalized world, this is important to me. Everybody has their own goals and preferences. Whatever helps you achieve that goal is what you should do. And to be even honest with you, I would have rather we kept Spanish as a national language, because it levels the playing field for all Filipinos.<BR/><BR/>This is why non-tagalog speakers are resentful of Tagalog as a Filipino language. This is why I say it is not nationalistic. To be nationalistic, we have to acknowledge that we are a country with a very diverse set of languages. I know a lot of Tagalogs cannot see this. I do not blame them, I mean if the government has selected Tagalog as the national language, then Tagalog is obviously better. I do not suggest eliminating it completely, only that it should be treated as a secondary language. I know there are lots of people out there who would want to learn Tagalog. And beside learning another language can only be good for your brain, right? But only if it is not already overworked.<BR/><BR/>I can go on and on but I only really have one point and besides I don't really have a lot of time here at work. My point is, we need a policy where the main Filipino languages stand side-by-side with English and Tagalog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125915734859262782005-09-05T03:22:00.000-07:002005-09-05T03:22:00.000-07:00Hello, Anonymous. I think it would be a good idea ...Hello, Anonymous. I think it would be a good idea if you wrote an article describing your ideal language policy. <BR/><BR/>I certainly would like to read it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911402804223909677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125780471147968912005-09-03T13:47:00.000-07:002005-09-03T13:47:00.000-07:00Sigh. If you look at how this discussion went, I ...Sigh. If you look at how this discussion went, I never really called you pedantic. You were the one who picked on my usage of dialect, giving me some definition of why it's wrong! I simply replied, and you retaliated. I said, we can get as pedantic as you want. Basically meaning something to the effect of: "we can define it as the book says if you want". But then then that's not the point of the discussion, the point was language policy and where we agreed on.<BR/><BR/>I agreed with you on recognizing other languages, *but* not only as *regional* languages but *official* languages. You were the one who went to start insulting me with "Well, that's like saying you want to run when you cannot even yet walk." Very constructive!<BR/><BR/>And you would see I never insulted you and presented you only with constructive answers. So if you can't keep an intelligent discussion, I'm also through with this.<BR/><BR/>And yes, the government is partly to blame with people's perception of other filipino languages called as dialects. Even if official policy buried somewhere in komfil's website says they are languages. People call them dialects because they are non-official languages. A lot of filipinos think that a non-official language is a dialect. That a language requires a body to define official grammars and spelling, etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125747581603772642005-09-03T04:39:00.000-07:002005-09-03T04:39:00.000-07:00>First, my reply (which you just quoted) is alread...<< I'm not sure if this is pedantic or what. I called it dialect sarcastically because there seem to be a perception that all other languages are dialects in the Philippines.>><BR/><BR/>First, my reply (which you just quoted) is already a (partial) explanation of this perception. <BR/><BR/>Second, I'm not going to spend my time getting into your name-calling games. So to save you trouble, yeah, I'm a pedant. So sue me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125739624550913752005-09-03T02:27:00.000-07:002005-09-03T02:27:00.000-07:00>I'm not sure if this is pedantic or what. I call...<<'Dialects' ang maling tawag nila kasi nagsimula sa English, cos native words 'wika', 'salita', 'hambal', 'sinultihan' could mean language OR dialect. (basically mean 'speech', so the language/dialect distinction is lost or secondary).>><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if this is pedantic or what. I called it dialect sarcastically because there seem to be a perception that all other languages are dialects in the Philippines. Chris has blogged about it elsewhere here: http://www.geocities.com/csundita/filipiniana/rplanguages.html<BR/><BR/>Yes, the unfortunate removal of Spanish as an official language by the Cory administration. It's sad that Filipinos cannot even read significant history in their original form such as those works by Dr. José Rizal. And I hope that our language policy does change for the better in the near future before things are too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125728443803344892005-09-02T23:20:00.000-07:002005-09-02T23:20:00.000-07:00You call me being pedantic? I am not the one who's...You call me being pedantic? I am not the one who's got a chip on my shoulder from other people's ignorance in calling non-tagalog languages 'dialects'.<BR/><BR/>Spanish ceased its official status in 1987. Goes to show change is possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125706606150131132005-09-02T17:16:00.000-07:002005-09-02T17:16:00.000-07:00Matsing: Look we can get as pedantic as you want, ...Matsing: Look we can get as pedantic as you want, dialect/language, etc... we are even digressing quite far from the "My ideal language policy". There are a number of people out there who do not even agree with komfil, and I don't want start that same debate here.<BR/><BR/>I think the point is we both agree, that Filipino or practically Tagalog being enforced on all Filipinos is not nationalistic, it is downgrading a lot of our other languages out there. My ideal policy of course is to have the main languages considered official. It is funny, that even English is considered official, yet Cebuano isn't. Ditto with Spanish, granted practically no one else speaks it. Still, most of our constitution is built on Spanish as well as our past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7388446.post-1125703130610890032005-09-02T16:18:00.000-07:002005-09-02T16:18:00.000-07:00>I don't doubt there are individual members of the...<< I used the term dialect with emphasis because that is how the Philippine government seem to view our *languages*. >><BR/><BR/>I don't doubt there are individual members of the govt who are using the term dialect wrongly, but what about official policy? Well, the KWF refers to "Filipino and other Philippine languages" http://www.komfil.gov.ph/functions.html so I think you should get your facts clear before pointing your finger at the govt so fast. As I said, there is a reason for the misnomer amongst the general population and it's not all to do with so-called govt propaganda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com